After having some experience in both now, I’m starting to think that 4-H is a much superior program to Girl Scouts/Cub Scouts. I’ve said it before, there are some flaws and not-too-great points about scouting. Scouting has become a lot of make-us-money profiteering on children, where more of the funds appear to end up in CEO and staff member pockets instead of letting poor kids get to camp – and they try to do good, but I think the size of the organizations and their territories get in their own way. Here’s some of the reasons why I lean towards 4-H these days:
- 4-H is for everyone. I don’t have to dance around a boy organization and a girl organization having meetings or events at the same time. Or, almost as bad, having to dedicate two different days of the week to running back and forth to meetings. When you have kids of different genders, it gets a little tough to participate in activities that are only for boys or only for girls.
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- 4-H has a small time commitment, unless you want more. At least here, we have County Council meetings on a monthly meetings basis, not weekly. That makes 4-H an easy fit into our schedule. Now, you don’t have to join County Council, and you cant still participate in any other 4-H programs. There is no minimum or maximum participation requirements as far as joining clubs or teams. If you join multiple clubs/teams or do different projects, that will, of course, take more time, but it’s easy to test the waters without committing several hours a week and a few hundred bucks in fees, dues, and uniforms. To the contrary, you cannot attend most Boy Scout events if you do not join a troop.
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- 4-H does not involve badge earning. Instead of giving kids patches as incentives to do things, 4-H encourages children to do what they enjoy, because everything finds its way into 4-H. In fact, my daughter just presented a project tonight on what real animals were matches to Pokemon – she loved thinking about it, creating it, talking about it (in a room of 15 kids all 5-10 years older than her, as she’s the only Cloverbud in our 4-H). And, my son did a District Project Achievement presentation, where he wrote a 5-6 minute speech titled: Why Minecraft is Better Than Disney Infinity 2.0. He loved writing it and setting up the screen shots for his visual aids – and, out of roughly 40 kids from about 40 counties, he won first place in the General Recreation category (one of the bigger ones).
Unfortunately, badge and award requirements in scouting can do the opposite and squash a child’s creativity and enjoyment in the program because you have to do very set things, them move on to the next badge. For instance, we are not a camp-happy family. Nature is dirty, bugs make me scream, and I pay too much for a climate controlled house to go hang out in the woods for fun. However, if my son doesn’t camp, he gets chopped off at the knees for multiple achievements, ranks, and badges. If my son goes into Boy Scouts and wants to achieve the first rank of Tenderfoot, for example, he is required to do at least one camp out, and that requirement will only increase as the ranks advance.
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- 4-H does not spend much time fundraising. One of my biggest gripes with Girl Scouts is that they shove Fall Product down your throat in September, and that is what the world centers around until November-ish. Then cookies start in January and they aren’t finished until April/May. In Girl Scouts, our whole year revolves around selling, and the return to the troop really sucks (ie, around $0.40 on a $4 box of cookies, or $1-2 on a $30 magazine subscription). Boy Scouts has their annual fundraisers too, but they aren’t anywhere near as pushy with it – although, there is usually the annual Friends of Scouting campaign that becomes very high pressure, as they want you to publicly donate, usually during a major troop event.4-H will do casual fundraisers when they need to get something accomplished, but it does not come with all the high-pressure end-of-the-world hype that scouting makes you feel.
In Girl Scouts, you even earn badges for selling, and if you object and don’t want to participate in selling, they often act as if you’re less of a scout or not properly contributing to your troop. 4-H picks more practical fundraisers (t-shirt sales, pumpkin patches, wreath sales, etc) that offer a club/team a much higher return for the money they collect. As far as I’ve seen, there is no national 4-H fundraising campaigns. Well, scratch that, there is the paper clovers you can seasonally buy at Tractor Supply Co., but that isn’t the kids going door-to-door or harassing all their relatives to buy something from them. And, because staff in 4-H is paid through state colleges, grants, city funding, or other such means, that means they don’t make kids sell cookies to pay their higher ranking employees’ six-figure salaries (all while telling the public “your purchase helps girls!” – well, a few pennies on each dollar, maybe…).
So, if a kid in 4-H is asking you to buy something, all proceeds are going directly to the club/team who earned the money, not to an overseeing council or national office.
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- 4-H is very affordable. 4-H tends to be an organization sponsored by colleges, or other similar venues, meaning it’s really affordable without a lot of overhead to make up for. My monthly Cub Scout dues for one child is $10, and I believe another $15 a year for his required registration – which isn’t awful by any means. But, then you need the $30 shirt, the $40 pants, a $13 belt, a $15 hat, a $10 troop shirt (for when you can “dress down”), a minimum $12 scout book (you need a new one every year as a Cub Scout, and you’ll likely need additional books as your Boy Scout progresses. The boys write in these books, so buying used or letting younger siblings reuse books is not always a great option. Then you also add in whatever other odds, ends, and fees come up along the way with scout activities.Realistically, the volunteers in scouts are just recovering their expenses at $10 a month, they are NOT the bad guys in this crazy pricing. Actually, I feel bad for them, because they have little to no recourse is a kid doesn’t pay dues, and they have to buy themselves uniforms, books, and supplies out-of-pocket too. However, on a national level, these little kids equal big business in terms of purchase requirements.
To the contrary, my monthly 4-H dues for two children is $0 a year for County Council. There is no uniform or required materials in most clubs, so that’s also $0 a year. Signing up with 4-H in general was $0. Now, if you join additional clubs or teams in 4-H, you may have fees involved, but they tend to be minimal. For example, the archery team costs $100 a year to join, but that includes weekly practices at a professional shooting range, competition fees, and a team shirt (equipment is your responsibility to purchase as well). I believe the Robotics Club was also $100 for the school year, but consider that our volunteer instructor is an actual engineer and that the kids use $800 Lego Robotic kits paired with $300+ laptops – it’s not an outrageous fee overall. Horse Club charges $20 a year to join, but if you participate in shows, obviously, you will end up paying entry fees as well.
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- 4-H offers camps that are actually affordable. It made my eye twitch when Girl Scouts mailed me their camp flier, and the DAY CAMPS were running $500 for a five day program! Who has that kind of money?! Oh, but for each 10,000 boxes of cookies you sell, the Council will knock $10 off of your camp fees! Are you kidding me?Comparably, 4-H camp was 5 days/4nights at $230 – AND, if you wrote an essay about why you wanted to go to camp, they’d offer that writer up to a $150 grant to go! All that time at camp and a merciful price and I DIDN’T EVEN HAVE TO SELL A THING TO “EARN” IT?!?! Don’t let scouts lie to you – 4-H owns their own camp grounds just like the scouts do, so they are not subletting locations to get a cheaper rate!
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- 4-H pushes their members to make portfolios. Portfolios are basically life resumes that tell who a child is. It lists all the activities they do or titles they’ve earned, and it includes a good number of photos. I can’t stress enough why this is a good thing. It’s telling kids to celebrate their accomplishments, no matter what they are, while also teaching them the kinds of things that they want to pick out for job resumes later in life. Plus, the kids will have college application supplements ready to go when they’re asked about their activities and achievements.
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- 4-H has Project Achievement, and projects are as open as the imagination. There are some basic guidelines, mostly in regards to a time minimum/maximum, but, aside from that, the sky is the limit on what you can present about. My son was very happy to do a project on Minecraft.
The DPA is not just a silly little piece of busywork to earn a patch, my son’s DPA went to a regional competition where he had to stand in front of a room full of kids and judges and “wow” them with his presentation. Here is my son’s project. He has never spoken publicly before and has always hated the idea, but he managed to get up there, and slowly loosen up and he went on.
Not too shabby for a 4th grader doing this 100% from scratch with no help (okay, I did glue the pictures to the board so they’d be straight, but the rest was him).
Being able to speak publicly about anything is so important. We have too many kids who can speak to a camera for YouTube videos, but they’re shaking in fear if they have to recite a poem in class. Being able to thoughtfully write out a presentation with visual aids is such a good habit to get into for high school, college, and future jobs; not to mention, the DPA offers a lot of practice with public speaking, and I’m very pleased that my son’s able to get his feet wet in presentations by doing any subject he desires. Then he gets to have passion in the project and he cares about what he’s doing. That way, when teachers later assign busywork speeches that may feel stupid or unrelatable, my son already has a strong foundation to deconstruct what needs to be done and how to do it..
- 4-H doesn’t kick you to the curb if you want to participate in your own way. My daughter left scouts because the drama levels got too high, and the constant push/stress to sell became too aggravating. In 4-H, if you don’t come to 3 meetings in a row, you aren’t looked down upon or punished via a lack of badges/promotions (unless, of course, you’re on a team that needs you to show up to practice). If you don’t want to do a DPA in 4-H, you aren’t required to do one. If you don’t want to be in horse club, you can still attend the other 4-H clubs/activities. If you just want to sign up for camps and not worry about clubs or teams, you can do that too! 4-H is an inclusive program, not an exclusive one.
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- The kids in 4-H are more supportive and less over-bearing, high-maintenance nightmares. My kid tends to be a bully magnet. He’s in the state gifted program, and he fits the stereotype of a more docile, timid person. Unfortunately, we are in an overly-competitive alpha dog area, where, even if you cannot be the best at something, you will bully the others around you so that you look superior. We’re not from here, so that is not how we behave at all, and it’s very hard to survive in school and scouts when everyone is itching to mow you down and find their self-confidence by chipping away at yours. Even at Cub Scouts the other kids will loudly bark in my son’s face every time he speaks. Frankly, a lot of the kids around here are overly-entitled jerks.
However, in 4-H, even the competitive aspects end up being fairly cooperative. If you enter the DPA, all the other kids in your county will likely be working in a different category, so you aren’t directly competing. That means it’s okay to help and be nice to others, because they aren’t your competition. If you’re on the Poultry Judging team, you all work together to submit your answers, and every team there can have the right answer. Even if you do County Council and do a smaller project each month, everyone has been up there before and everyone cheers you on.
I’m not sure if this is because 4-H has a large homeschool population, so the children aren’t institutionalized and taught to be so flipping aggressive, or if it’s because the diversity of the 4-H program lets everyone who works hard be a winner. But, I’d love to share one of my daughter’s little projects where she wrote her own 4-H song for County Council. She is 7, went right up the and flipped the podium sideways so that you could see her, and went at it. Every person in that room was at least 10 years old, with most of them being in high school. The sound isn’t the greatest, but take note of no one booing her (like they did at the school talent show) and how there’s ever a “Go Kairi!” by one of the high school boys at the end, whereas no one is kind to her in Girl Scouts and she was often called “stupid” and “poor,” by the entitled, competitive rich girls who liked to play Mean Girls.
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- 4-H is life. I know some scouts bleed green and white and all, but 4-H is so diverse that it’s already in everything that you do. And if it’s not something you already do – for instance, say you have a black thumb in gardening – then someone else in 4-H will be an expert and they will help you learn a new valuable skill. Unlike badge earning, where you check off items on a list, then you’re finished and move onto something else, 4-H teaches you until you’re able to do it on your own and teach others. If you want to focus on gardening for ten years – you can! You won’t do it for two meetings and then move on, never talking about it again.Plus, without the ridged requirements and rules for what you must learn and how you’re allowed to learn it, 4-H is an open door so that interests can truly blossom. Whereas scouts tends to be more of a sampler-platter program that teaches kids more or less to try something and move on to the next badge rather than develop any real interest, 4-H is about skill and confidence building. And, to do those things just because you enjoy it. The journey is the reward in many programs. 🙂
Now, having said all of this, my son is still a scout, and he hopes to continue in that for at least a while longer. While we’ve reached our fill with Girl Scout troops, we quite like a lot of the experience in Cub Scouts still. And, one of the best things about 4-H’s low time commitment is that it offers kids the opportunity to keep pursuing other interests while still being very involved with 4-H. Other activities and interests actually compliment 4-H, and vice-versa, because outside interests give you more that you can do and talk about in 4-H. It’s basically the Katamari of activities – 4-H accepts anything, and it only gets bigger because of it.
So, if you have a 4-H program in your area, I would highly recommend giving it a look. You may think it’s all about horses and crops and tractors, but there is so much more to it than you can see as an outsider. 4-H is probably the best activity decision we’ve made for our kids by a large margin.




